The Rapture Fact or Fiction?

The Rapture Fact or Fiction? looks at the when and if the rapture occurs and origins of the doctrine.

The Rapture Fact Or Fiction?

After seeing so much interest in the Left Behind series, I thought give folks a few things to ponder on.Ecclesiastes 9:5-6(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.(6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, hath now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.To think we are immediately with our Heavenly Father & Savior at the moment of death does not seem scriptural from this. However, just as when you are unconscious with no thought or dreams, it seems like a mere moment from the loss of conscientiousness to the moment of awakening, although it could be hours, days, or even months. From the moment of death it would seem like but a moment until our reawakening. This scripture comes from Solomon the wisest man on earth with the exception of our Savior. Psalms 115:17(17) The dead praise not Yahweh, neither any that go down into silence.Also tells us similarly. Acts 2:29(29) Men, brethren, let me freely speak to you concerning the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us to this day.This was written some 10 years after our Saviors resurrection, if the Saints were immediately with God or taken with our Savior after the resurrection, then He forgot about David, even though David was a “man after Gods own heart” (Acts 13:22). I don’t think so.Revelation 13:7(7) And it was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and languages, and nations.Does it sound like these folks are going to get “raptured” ?Matthew 24:29-31(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days, shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.(31) And he will send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.When does this say he gathers His elect, AFTER the great tribulation.Revelation 6:10-11(10) And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?(11) And white robes were given to every one of them; and it was said to them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.Doesn’t sound like these dead saints got raptured or the ones yet to be martyred either, does it? Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and languages, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God who sitteth upon the throne, and to the Lamb. Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood around the throne, and about the elders and the four living beings, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshiped God, Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, be to our God for ever and ever. Amen. Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying to me, Who are these that are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Rev 7:14 And I said to him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they who came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Not the 144 thousand sealed in Rev. 7:4. This group wasn’t raptured either. In fact Rev.7:4 doesn’t say the saints were raptured but sealed. Strongs says of sealed:(From G4973; to stamp (with a signet or private mark) for security or preservation (literally or figuratively); by implication to keep secret, to attest: - (set a, set to) seal up, stop). They were just protected during the tribulation, not carried away.The tribulation is our trying in fire like metal to remove the dross and to make it strong. (Proverbs 25:4 & Isa 1:25). The word rapture does not even appear in the Bible ANYWHERE. I might say there is a “rapture” before wrath & destruction. (Some would call that post-trib rapture). I don’t like to call it “ rapture” as it has implications of the unrealistic expectations of many.Yes many will be sealed and protected from harm, the majority however will NOT be sealed, and all that are alive at that time will walk through the tribulation protected or not. Isaiah 54:17(17) No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Yahweh, and their righteousness is from me, saith Yahweh.I can see this promise fulfilled in many ways during this last great tribulation. I imagine those sealed might even be shot at with no harm, can you imagine their attackers fear at that miracle? One of the best little helps in understanding the “Secret Rapture” theory was the knowledge of its origin. So looked until I found the booklet The Rapture of the Saints by Duncan McDougall that first lead me to the origins of the theory 20 years ago. It was only 46 pages long in print. It is attached in entirety for you as a PDF. Hope you enjoy it. and it answers many questions. We see in it Emanual Lacunza writing as Rabbi Ben Ezra following the writings of Alcazar, and Ribera both Jesuits, the teachings were picked up as we have seen by the protestants. Dave MacPherson witnessing a soon to be called “prophetess” had written a book on the subject of the origin of the pre-tribulation rapture. He writes: “We have seen that a young Scottish lassie named Margaret Macdonald had a private revelation in Port Glasgow, Scotland, in the early part of 1830 that a select group of Christians would be caught up to meet Christ in the air before the days of Antichrist.” Many are familiar with Ms. Macdonald and thought she was the author of the secret rapture because they were unfamiliar with the earlier works. John Darby of the Brethren, was well associated with Ms. McDonald proceeded to distribute the idea. The person most responsible for the widespread acceptance of Pretribulationalism and Dispensationalism among Evangelicals is Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921). C. I. Scofield published his Scofield Reference Bible in 1909. This Bible, which espoused the doctrines of Darby in its notes. Scofield’s notes were practically equated with the word of God itself. If a person did not adhere to the Dispensational, Pretribulational scheme he or she would almost automatically be labeled a modernist. This would mean his or her “shunning” as the Amish would call it. In realizing the origins and how these doctrines came to great popularity we are able to gain a few more insights in discerning whether they are fact or fiction. It is obvious 144 thousand will be sealed and protected from wrath and destruction. The other larger group (Rev 7: 9-14 ibid ) IS SAVED as we see. But they were not sealed and protected as the 144 thousand for some reason. Maybe they were armchair Christians, maybe just not strong in their faith, it doesn’t say. But from all I have studied EVERY true believer alive at that time has to walk through the tribulation either under the protection being sealed or just by faith. Many of the latter will be martyred. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the testimony of Yahshua, and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. What this tells us is that the 1st resurrection and “rapture” (sic) happens AFTER the mark of the beast. This is the same event as described in 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17, being “caught up” into the clouds with our Savior, immediately after the resurrection of the dead in our Messiah. There is NO resurrection before the mark of the beast.1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. So here, we who are alive and found worthy will receive our new spirit composed body, after the dead in our Savior are raised (the first resurrection) all of us will spend a thousand reign with Him before the second resurrection. All this occurs after the mark of the beast, that’s what Yahweh Word says.It is just a parallel occurrence to the early church, many were martyred, many escaped, a remnant was ALWAYS protected so the Church survived. Here again we shall se similar things persecution, martyrdom, and some protected. We all however, walk through the great tribulation one way or another. I am NOT trying to be critical of you or any of your beliefs. I truly believe my Savior has given me a job as a watchman. For years now I have been warning people of the New World Order, before that the government behind the government. In my earlier years before coming to salvation I thought we (patriots & such) might be able to re-take America. It was not until my whole family was baptized that the scales were removed from my eyes.My savior Yahshua Messiah most know as Jesus revealed, that this was all part of prophecy, and it WILL come to pass. The Holy Spirit has given me insight to know that because this country has turned it’s back on our Heavenly Father & Savior, it is being chastised and unless we as a nation repent in the largest revival there has ever been, our country as we know it, will suffer destruction. I don’t see our country as repentant; I see destruction is knocking at our door. Those of us who are grounded in our faith in our Savior have hope in him, this world and country, as a whole is not turning from its sin. It is pushing the New World Order, Satan’s counterfeit kingdom. It is rising and will come to pass just as prophesied. It will however, be short lived. That is where my job comes in. I have been warning people for years it is coming in fulfillment of prophecy. I know some think I’m too political, but I see the political occurrences as heading us into the N.W.O., satans false kingdom. People have to be warned. Most who have some religious up bringing may be made to realize what is happening through these occurrences, if warned what they are. Seems we’re seeing scripture jumping off the newspapers, TV, Radio news almost daily. Most people however can’t see it. Many are given “strong delusion” because they have turned a cold shoulder to their Savior. If I only succeed in waking up one person and helping him find his path back to his Savior, I have done my job. I put warnings online in numerous places, have been on radio, given spots in the newspapers, as my Savior sees fit. A door is open here or there, and I say what He gives me to say. I warn as many people as I can every day that our Savior returns soon! Preaching repentance, and His love. Sure sometimes I come on strong. People many times are like the old mule that had to be hit square between the eyes with a 2x4, nearly incapacitated, not for discipline, but to get his attention. Most people live in their little bubble. Many are Joe six-pack. They have their nice little house, car, job and as long as they have a six-pack and Roseanne at the end of the day, they don’t want to be bothered. It saddens me when people are so close-minded, you can’t reach them even with the proverbial 2x4. When I see the spirit of murder that has overtaken this country I can’t help but cry to my Heavenly Father. Satan is doing his absolute worst in taking children at the hands of their parents, etc. as his time is short. There are just some things only the Father & our Savior can sort out.As a watchman I can only try to unveil the lies and warn people of the coming destruction, asking them to turn back to their Savior before it is to late. I KNOW some of you have a strong faith; so I am NOT trying to chastise you, just let me know where I’m coming from so you will understand, my methods & reasoning.I thank my Heavenly Father & Savior Yahshua Messiah most know as Jesus EVERY day, as He has truly worked miracles in the changes in my life. He has called me as a watchman not because I’m something great. He chose a lesser (earthen) vessel so the excellence of the power of Yahweh may show forth, not of self. (2Co 4:7) Realizing the muck and mire he saved me from, the great forgiveness manifested, only through Him can I hope to stand against the great forces he has me warning against (Luke 21:36). Satan is seeking to destroy all God’s people that he can. All I can do is warn those led unto death so their blood will not be on my hands, and maybe they will listen before it is to late. He has forgiven me much, and it seems he has me doing a lot (Luke 12:48), sometimes I don’t always understand why. I just ask for the Holy Spirits guidance and go on, as I am lead.It probably sounds strange to you that I am so committed. I have no other choice. I want to please my Savior he gave His life for us in salvation as a FREE gift. I have given back my life to Him to use as He will, and pray I will be a good servant, and never lukewarm. There is little of this world that interests me, and I simply await his soon return, and try to do His will.I pray through this our Savior Yahshua Messiah, most know as Jesus (see my: What’s In a Name?), will touch your heart and you will ask forgiveness and turn from sin, before it is too late. He Returns SOON! Be ready.Please read: The Rapture of the Saints that is attached it will be most enlightening. Feel free to e-mail me at the address below. Yahshua Messiah’s Sabbath day MinistryC/O general delivery USPO Waxahachie, Texas (75165)mtreis3 @


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proper format please

Teacher 23.Jun.2004 01:33

For starters, this article needs major formatting (re)work!
Then I'll consider reading it.