A new day is coming. The capitalist adventure is going to hell in Iraq.

“Tribal system is making it impossible for the US to have any political control.” And other very bad news for the neocons. Joe

“Tribal system is making it impossible for the US to have any political control.” And other very bad news for the neocons. Joe

Lost Cause- The US will never have political control in Iraq
by Guest on 31.07.2004 [17:07 ]

The message to the collaborators is clear: If you want to live don't collaborate with the occupying troops and the puppet government.

Like Karzai in Afghanistan, this Allawi CIA puppet is only the mayor of the Green Zone Prison. You can clearly see how in both countries the long established tribal system is making it impossible for the US to have any political control. NO strong central government can survive under such conditions.

Iraq, like Afghanistan, is NEVER going to have the strong central government that the US thinks it can install with US troops protecting the puppets.
This experiment will cost the US a ton of blood and treasure before the realization sets in that is all futile.

The US doesn't have the resources or troops to prop up the puppet governments in both Iraq and Afghanistan indefinitely. The Islamists with time on their hands will simply wait them out.


RAMADI, Iraq - The governor of Iraq’s restive Al-Anbar province said on Saturday he would happily resign if kidnappers released three of his sons, snatched from their home by gunmen four days ago.

“I am ready to give in to your demands, and if you believe my presence in the (provincial capital) city (Ramadi) does not serve the interests of the region, I am ready to go,” said Abdel Karim Berges in an open letter to the province.

Berges defended his period of office in the vast province on the border with Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, saying he had arranged convoys of food and medicine for residents in Fallujah when the city was besieged by US troops in April.

On Wednesday, his sons, aged 15 to 30, were kidnapped by gunmen who barged into and torched his family home in Ramadi while he was at work.

Ramadi is the main city in the predominantly Sunni Muslim province of Al-Anbar, where US troops have come under persistent attack and loyalty to ousted dictator Saddam Hussein runs high.

-----The Tawhid and Jihad group of Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi demanded the Turks' employers leave Iraq (news - web sites) in a videotape aired on Al-Jazeera television, which showed three masked, black-garbed gunmen standing behind two seated men holding various forms of identification, including what were apparently Turkish passports.
Al-Jazeera identified the men as two Turkish truck drivers working for a Turkish company that delivers goods to U.S. forces in Iraq. The network said the militants threatened to decapitate the men if their demands were not met.
Militants loyal to al-Zarqawi have claimed responsibility for a number of bloody attacks and beheadings of previous foreign hostages, including U.S. businessman Nicholas Berg, South Korean translator Kim Sun-il and Bulgarian truck driver Georgi Lazov.
An official at the Turkish Embassy in Baghdad, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he saw the tape's broadcast but had no further details on the men's capture. The tape did not indicate when exactly the 48-hour period ends.
In another abduction, a Lebanese citizen was snatched in Baghdad early Saturday, a Lebanese Foreign Ministry officials told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity. The official said no contact has been made with the kidnappers and had no further details. The victim's Iraqi driver, who was snatched as well but later released, identified the Lebanese man as Vlado Abu Ghadi, director of the Lara construction company.
More than 70 foreigners have been kidnapped by insurgents in recent months in a campaign aimed at pushing out of the country international troops and companies backing U.S. troops and reconstruction efforts. Many have been videotaped and paraded on TV screens surrounded by armed, masked men demanding their countries withdraw.
Mediators and officials expressed optimism Saturday for the release of seven hostages — three Indians, three Kenyans and an Egyptian — held captive since July 21. An official from the Kuwait company that employs the men met tribal leaders acting as mediators to craft an offer to their captors, and India sent a senior diplomat to help in the talks.
The kidnappers have threatened to kill one of the hostages if their employers, Kuwait and Gulf Link Transport Co., fail to meet their demands, including ending their work in Iraq.
The group, which calls itself "The Holders of the Black Banners," had said they would carry out their threat by Friday night, but they had extended their deadlines repeatedly in the past and appeared to have done so again.
India's ambassador to Oman, Talmiz Ahmed, was sent to Iraq on Saturday to help in the negotiations.
Mahdi Saleh, an official from the Kuwaiti company, arrived here Saturday for talks with Sheik Hisham al-Duleimi, who runs an organization of tribal leaders trying to negotiate the hostages' release.
"We want to solve this humanitarian issue and we expect positive news," al-Duleimi's spokesman, Muqam al-Hamadani, told AP.
Al-Hamadani said his group planned to mediate the crisis by crafting an offer with the Kuwaiti company before announcing it to media outlets. He expected the kidnappers to respond by releasing another video to the media, which has been their primary form of communication.
Ram Murti, father of one of the Indian hostages, Antaryami, told the AP in New Delhi that the Indian prime minister's office had phoned him saying the government had received "positive" feedback from Iraq. He didn't elaborate.
Meanwhile, a Turkish driver, Mehmet Dayar, abducted in Iraq on July 17 was freed in Mosul, northern Iraq, after promising his captors not to return, his niece Jihan Dayar told the AP.
Dayar spent 12 days of captivity before returning Thursday to his hometown of Cizre, near the Turkish border with Iraq, she said.

In other violence, gunmen shot and killed Ismail al-Kilabi, the head of the state-run Mamoudiyah Teachers Institute, after a mosque prayer service on Friday, police Lt. Ala'a Hussein said Saturday.
Al-Kilabi had ignored militants' warnings to stop working for Iraqi authorities after the U.S.-led coalition transferred power to the country's interim government last month, Hussein said.
Fighting resumed in Fallujah, west of Baghdad, Saturday as U.S. forces tried to re-enter the volatile town, which was the scene of fierce battles stretching late Thursday to early Friday.
Witnesses said militants and U.S. troops clashed in Fallujah's main street and helicopters fired up to eight rockets into an industrial area in the city's west. Dr. Osama Abdel Rahman, of Fallujah Hospital, said eight people were hospitalized, most with minor injuries.
The U.S. military said Saturday that 20 insurgents were killed during the clashes earlier this week. Hospital officials said 13 Iraqis, mainly women and children, died and 14 were injured. The U.S. military and Iraqi security forces suffered no casualties.
Meanwhile, an official from the Karbala office of firebrand Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's movement said U.S. forces on Saturday arrested Methal al-Husseini, the head of the office.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, claimed U.S. forces detained al-Husseini at his house in Hindeiyah, 12 miles east of Karbala, a southern Iraqi city.
U.S. and Polish military officials, who control the region, declined to confirm the report.

By PAUL GARWOOD, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi militants said Saturday they kidnapped two Turks and threatened to behead them within 48 hours, the latest in the country's unrelenting wave of abductions, even as efforts intensified to win the release of seven truck drivers taken captive by other insurgents.

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'Iraq' is a construct of western style nation state building....

King Amdo 01.Aug.2004 11:43

...and as such cuts across tribal areas, and lumps a load of different tribes into one 'country'. The way thast this works in the west is to suppress the goddess/female/tribal soverignty aspect of tribes and to impose a new reality by the means of freemason christian 'black' alchemy. And seeing as this 'alchemy' is a construct, in fact, of ritual racist child abuse, not suprisingly wherever the west infiltrates, a nightmare of violence and abuse and rape of the Sacred Mother Witch results. Pure scum, literally!

It would, of course be possible to make a tribal confederacy in a different ethic and model, but these western energies (keypoint) CAN ONLY EXIST IS A SITUATION OF SEPARATION AND FEAR...and these (western energies) inately distrupt the foculisation of communal peace. Because whatever they say 'in public', that's not their game. Their game is rape of the Mother Earth for money...as part of their child abuse scapegoating paradigm. An order of unbelievable negative karma, a doomed paradigm, obviously!

Allah Akbar,

Blessed be,

King Amdo.